Gabby Logan Instagram – One half of the award-winning 5 Live Breakfast presenting team @rachelburden_radio joins me on the podcast this week. Rachel talks about how years of very early wake up calls have taught her not to get too paranoid about the amount of sleep she gets, instead looking at the bigger picture and the positive effects of being stimulated and nourished by a job you love. We also talk about striving to have the things you want in life rather than trying to have it all, and how her youngest child’s premature birth proved just how little we can actually control in life. Rachel also talks about the joy of taking up walking football in midlife! Dr Danny Penman joins to speak about his experience using meditation as pain relief, and how taking time out for meditation can actually save you time in the long run. Link to listen is in my bio!